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neverstopaiken
I'm not yet dead
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| Wishing sylvie a very happy birthday from across the pond! A big wave to Kavanaugh too. |
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anncanada
When you're with me, I breathe easy...
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| .... I don’t believe in whitewashing a subject to make it more palatable to the masses. The world used the “We have to respect their culture.” excuse for too long to do nothing about a human rights issue, just because it was happening to women and not men. If you think you know what female circumcision is… think again. There are many different forms of it; some can be viewed as “mild” only when contrasted to the ones that are even worse, but none of them are acceptable, IMO. The one practiced in Ethiopia and Somalia happens to be THE worse form of it in the world.... |
Very very well put. I don't believe in whitewashing it either. To use the word "circumcision" is a joke. Female castration (and beyond) is what it is. The male equivalent would be to cut off most of the penis under barbaric conditions, partially sew up the urethral/ejaculatory openings (so that urine and and semen back up into the body system causing swelling and infection and assorted other physical conditions). You can bet that will never happen. The practice should be banned in every society world wide.
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| ...This practice has also made its way to the United States, through immigration. |
And to Canada.
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toni7babe
gimme that lush grabbable hair!
Joined: 10 Oct 2004
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Location: ChicagoLAND
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On My Way Here is #29 on Radio & Records AC chart and Billboard's AC chart that came out today!! Up from #30 last week!
http://www.radioandrecords.com/Formats/Charts/AC_Chart.asp
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Streaming anyone???? There has been a bit of a drop on AOL Top 11 videos since yesterday am.
If your so inclined... even just one stream helps:)
Stream those gorgeous Session Videos!!!
http://music.aol.com/sessions/latest
On AOL's Top 11 Videos List this am at the time of this post:)
#2 On My Way Here
#4 Ashes
#8 "Everything I Don't Need"
#11 "Where I Draw The Line'
To see the list or access it: http://music.aol.com/
On AOL Most Played List this am
"On My Way Here" is #1
Ashes is #3
Several other songs are also in Top 25
http://music.aol.com/song/
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Happy Birthday to sylvie! |
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djs111
do you have a flag?
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Yes, Savonnette, "female circumcision", ESPECIALLY as done in the countries you mention, is nothing less than sexual torture. There is no "cultural relativism" about this subject, IMO. I was appalled that UNICEF would use the term it did, as the World Health Organization (WHO) tells it like it is.
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I don't know why you would be "appalled", I've seen both terms used in documentaries. I think the word circumcision gives uninformed people a sense of the type of cutting used. UNICEF is trying to bring attention to it with this effort, how can that be anything but good? Appalling (to me) would be if they observed it in Somalia and chose to say nothing. |
I am just as appalled as WinkyDink - I feel that "female circumcision" gives this practice a veneer of respectability to hide behind. Uninformed people likely know that male circumcision is done mainly for hygienic or religious reasons and has nothing to do with sexual pleasure or causing other problems down the road, as mutilation may cause with menstruation and childbirth. Circumcision is pretty much the opposite of mutilation as far as having an effect on a person.
So "female circumcision" sounds kind of like a benign minor medical procedure, while "female genital mutilation" tells it like it is. I don't think calling the practice circumcision will fire many people up against it - it almost sounds like a P.R. phrase for genital mutilation, designed to mask what really happens.
This practice has also made its way to the United States, through immigration. |
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lindylo
The middle of otherland
Joined: 16 May 2005
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Location: Winnipeg, Canada
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The following paragraph was in the article. bolding mine
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| Aiken also visited maternal and child health clinics to see nutritional feeding and immunization activities along with projects supporting children with disabilities, the eradication of female genital mutilation/cutting and the prevention of mother-to-child transmission of HIV. |
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Barnett2
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I have a question about playing the video on AOL. Should we access "On My Way Here" and play it from the Top 11 list or go to the "Sessions" page? Or does it matter, as long as it is played?
How do they determine the Top 11? |
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rebymac
Gonna love you for all that it's worth
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I am just as appalled as WinkyDink - I feel that "female circumcision" gives this practice a veneer of respectability to hide behind. Uninformed people likely know that male circumcision is done mainly for hygienic or religious reasons and has nothing to do with sexual pleasure or causing other problems down the road, as mutilation may cause with menstruation and childbirth. Circumcision is pretty much the opposite of mutilation as far as having an effect on a person.
So "female circumcision" sounds kind of like a benign minor medical procedure, while "female genital mutilation" tells it like it is. I don't think calling the practice circumcision will fire many people up against it - it almost sounds like a P.R. phrase for genital mutilation, designed to mask what really happens.
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From the UNICEF article, telling it like it is...
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| Mr. Aiken also visited maternal and child health clinics to see nutritional feeding and immunization activities along with projects supporting children with disabilities, the eradication of female genital mutilation/cutting and the prevention of mother-to-child transmission of HIV. |
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One of the other boards I was on was discussing Clays trip to Africa. She has friends who take mission trips all the time. She brought up the fact that he would have had to have multiple shots, including experiencing some not so good side effects, and then would probably have to take medication when he gets back, also with many side effects.
When she got to his attire, this also got my heart :
"He wears light color for the heat and long sleeves to protect from mosquito carrying malaria, very dangerous if you get bitten."
I never thought about this part of his trip. I knew he went to dangerous places where violence is the norm, but the thought of his risking infectious diseases makes me marvel even more at the risk he takes.
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Beagle3
Gah! Those beautiful expressive hands
Joined: 22 Aug 2003
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY sylvie!!!! Enjoy your special day - take time today to celebrate - remember for a while occassions you've enjoyed the most and things that make you smile - read a book, sit back, relax and know that all day through, the loving thoughts of others will be celebrating you.
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He sure is one special hunk of humanity. |
So true, in so many ways.....
Some of which make me schmoopie:
If I could send him a fourth of July message, it might be something like...
Clay, I wish you safe travels back home, and always. I know you'll count your blessings a hundredfold as you return to a place of freedom, but you'll never forget all those who live in need and fear, but live so bravely through it. Bless you for your caring heart and generous spirit. Though you carry them demurely, they still shine brightly. Yes, your light scares a few who do not recognize a genuine selfless spirit, but it brightens the lives of oh so many more, here at home and in lands far away. You truly walk the walk, on a path that crosses so many borders--of countries, ages, races, abililties, and needs. May you be, and remain, truly blessed.
What a mighty fine man! |
AMEN & WORD and yes he is!
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footloose
Last of the
dying breed
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berkeley
Yesterday, now and forever
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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Location: The Land of the Retired Screen Names
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The UNICEF Somalia Press Release, with slightly longer quotes and a donation link, is at US Fund for UNICEF. (The story is previewed on the home page.)
Yahoo! has the article, with a link to a larger Newscom preview of the photo, HERE, with the photo HERE.
Yahoo News has the photo under "Somalia Unrest" HERE. Sign in to "Recommend" it.
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Savonnette
French Taunter
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| Yes, Savonnette, "female circumcision", ESPECIALLY as done in the countries you mention, is nothing less than sexual torture. There is no "cultural relativism" about this subject, IMO. |
So true. I didn’t mean to say that UNICEF used that expression. It is just called that in still too many articles, so I thought more people would be familiar with the issue if I named it that first. WHO does explain it very well, but the description is so clinical. I’m not saying that they should have gone into more details on an Internet website made to educate quickly. I’m just saying that to read it that way is just so… sanitized.
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| Corabeth: The last documentary I watched was so infuriating in that they dressed these girls up like it was some sort of celebration. |
I remember a documentary like that. The little girl thought it was a celebration at first and was so proud to be the center of attention. Afterward, I remember her being so angry at her parents and looking so betrayed. And she had gone through the “mildest’’ form of it. Plus in Western countries these days, girls are anesthetized. Not that that makes it any more acceptable, of course.
Western countries have to be careful on how to proceed to eradicate this custom. Big mistakes were made when feminists became aware in the 1970s of the practice and demanded that their respective governments act. I think organizations like UNICEF have learned to proceed in ways that don’t make things worse or insult women from the countries concerned, thus making them reject any change or help.
It cannot be said that Clay doesn’t cause interesting discussions among his fans. The stereotypes about him and most of us are just so distorted, absurd, vicious and wrong.
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Heeeee! What's that in his pocket? Thank you artquest. *Pets the pretty picture*
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PuddinsJoy
Perpetual Bliss
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| He sure is one special hunk of humanity. |
Running off to nom for a thread title! Love it!
Happy Birthday to my montage-making buddy sylvie! Hope it's a great one! Hi to Kav too!
eta - good lord - big pic Clay is too beautiful for words! Thank you hosaa & artquest! gahhh
Thank you too, to all our wonderful Clay news bloggers! My google alert email this morning was full of Clay links and every single one mentioned his UNICEF trip - not one piece of crap among them! Keep up the great work!
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artquest
I'm with the
Zombie Horde
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Beagle3
Gah! Those beautiful expressive hands
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THANK YOU!
GAH.....such beauty. |
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MizRaleigh
weak, dizzy and
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From the larger picture it looks as though he's not wearing socks, I see bare ankles...and the ever present lifeline cord going into his pocket!
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DeepSouthGurrl
Clay's tacky woman
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Thank you....bigger is certainly better!
I guess this clears up the soul patch/goatee discussion. It's just our beloved scruff. |
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Invisible926
always and forever
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Thank you....bigger is certainly better!
I guess this clears up the soul patch/goatee discussion. It's just our beloved scruff. |
I told y'all! *g* |
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ClaySTO
All you gotta do is smile that smile
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| What's the cord in his pocket? Shouldn't he have on socks? -- mosquitos love ankles. |
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izzyp
DECCA the halls, baby!
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| What's the cord in his pocket? Shouldn't he have on socks? -- mosquitos love ankles. |
I'm not crazy about ankles -- but I think I could nibble on those for a while! |
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PiddlyPink
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| Thank you, Clay, for reminding me of why I am in this fandom in the first place. |
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Claymaniac in PA
thinking woman
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playbiller
Matrix Marine, Inc.
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Clay does bring interesting discussions.
Now to the off topic part - how exactly do traditions like this start and spread? I just don't understand it. I understand circumcision for males kind of, but not completely since the necesity is not there as much. I understand where not eating pork came from, but that is kind of not a physical neccessary anymore. I still don't know how the first person who figured out how babes are made figured out if you go back 9 months.......
I guess I am asking if this is a religious movement behind the mutilation or something else. It just seeems an odd thing to spread. I understand a little more about binding of feet in China to keep your wife from running away, don't understand why women would support it, but then I have been blessed to have an easy life, so there is a lot I have trouble understanding that might be clear if I had lived somewhere else. |
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roseviolet
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| Yahoo! has the article, with a link to a larger Newscom preview of the photo, HERE, with the photo HERE. |
Also, don't forget to "Buzz up" the Yahoo! article. |
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Claymaniac in PA
thinking woman
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Clay does bring interesting discussions.
Now to the off topic part - how exactly do traditions like this start and spread? I just don't understand it. I understand circumcision for males kind of, but not completely since the necesity is not there as much. I understand where not eating pork came from, but that is kind of not a physical neccessary anymore. I still don't know how the first person who figured out how babes are made figured out if you go back 9 months.......
I guess I am asking if this is a religious movement behind the mutilation or something else. It just seeems an odd thing to spread. I understand a little more about binding of feet in China to keep your wife from running away, don't understand why women would support it, but then I have been blessed to have an easy life, so there is a lot I have trouble understanding that might be clear if I had lived somewhere else. |
Male circumcision is controversial with some people. Not all agree that it is necessary or healthy.
Personally, I think keeping women back is at the heart of all of these traditions, but I have no idea how they start--it's a good question. We have a few of our own which I'll bet people don't think of as all that odd or horrible--most assume they really are about beauty. Example: pointy-toed shoes with heels. When I taught footbinding, I always included bare-footed photos of women who've been wearing those all their lives next to photos of Chinese women whose feet had been bound. Mutilation for beauty in both cases. My mother hasn't worn heels in years, and never did wear anything particularly extreme, but her feet still badly deformed. For awhile there, some women were getting surgery and having parts of their feet removed to wear the extreme pointy shoes that have become so popular. Maybe it's still happening. Another is bras. People will argue about that, and not having much in that area to deal with, maybe there is a need for some people that I don't understand, but for some of us, they're just an instrument of pain and suffering.
Clay content: wonder if he prefers women who are made-up, fixed up, dressed up to the nines, or does he go for the natural look?
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Evangeline
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Soft Rock Hard Place Tour 2007
Concert_Clack/Soft_Rock_Hard_Place_Tour_2007/Fort_Myers/mime_fan folder:
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Thanks to mime_fan for this.
CH - FIND THE FILES BY CLICKING HERE AND ENTERING YOUR KEY:
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CV KEYHOLDERS - THIS IS IN YOUR VAULT. PLEASE DOWNLOAD FROM THERE. THANK YOU
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